Welcome to TMNT Hell, and here we are greeted by brotherly incest; you are now asked to join in on it.
This is the fandoms lowest point, just a step over porn, we find this- the inner circle of the twisted TMNT fandom. I am an advocate against this sh*t, I can’t believe people are getting away with making it.
You would find this under the category of “Yaoi” when clearly it’s incest, gay incest, I’m sorry but Homosexuality doesn’t govern the right to make or be of this kind of nature.
This is the fans way of saying “F**K reality, I want my fetish!”, incest is looked down upon in RL or less I am mistaken.
I don’t care if they aren’t or are blood related, a family doesn’t do this and if they do then they live in a sexually abused Hell. I don’t care if you’re gay or not, this is wrong on all levels. But why is it then so popular in the fandom right now? What’s with this “Love and Tolerate” bit in the fandom of today? We not only have to Love, but TOLERATE this?? Are we now also required to have sex with turtles to advance into this new cultic follow-up? I don’t know when I last checked, must have been when I was born into a large family, but families that actually do this stuff live in Hell all the time. It’s not fun, they are abused, sexually, mentally, and physically; the whole thing is a catastrophic nightmare. You slowly become “less” human with incest, you become “less” of who you are.
It makes my heart burn, to think of the people who cry in their sleep every night with the memories of their torturous incestual relationships. How they suffered so much, and these T-cest freaks actually get horny from watching and making this fetish! The insult, the danger, in this positive promotional outlook on Male-Brother-On-Brother incest is inhuman and evil. It’s not funny, it’s not cute, it’s an example of a group of people who are out of control and think they own the world.
Let’s take a look at some examples for negative effects with incest:
Incest is defined as sexual contact between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal (e.g., parents and children, uncles/aunts and nieces/nephews, etc.). This usually takes the form of an older family member sexually abusing a child or adolescent. (Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, RAINN, 2008).
Incest is considered by many experts to be a particularly damaging form of sexual abuse because it is perpetrated by individuals upon whom the victim trusts and depends. In addition, support can also be lacking and pressure to keep silent powerful as fear of the family breaking up can be overwhelming to other family members. (Ibid).
Adults who were incestuously victimized by adults in their childhood often suffer from low self-esteem, difficulties in interpersonal relationships, and sexual dysfunction; and are at an extremely high risk of many mental disorders including depression, anxiety, phobic avoidance reactions, substance abuse, borderline personality disorder, and complex post-traumatic stress disorder. (Christine Courtois, Healing the Incest Wound: Adult Survivors in Therapy, 1988)
Father-daughter and stepfather-daughter incest is most commonly reported, with most of the remaining reports consisting of mother/stepmother-daughter/son incest. Prevalence of parental child sexual abuse is difficult to assess due to secrecy and privacy; some estimates show 20 million Americans have been victimized by parent incest as children. (Jeffrey Turner, 1996).
While the prevalence and severity of child abuse in the United States has been given an increasing amount of attention — attitudes, definitions and statistics continue to vary. The examination of incest may incite some of the greatest discrepancies, for it remains one of the most under-reported and least discussed crimes in our nation. An almost international taboo, incest often remains concealed by the victim because of guilt, shame, fear, social and familial pressure, as well as coercion by the abuser (Matsakis, 1991).
One researcher describes incest as: “…the sexual abuse of a child by a relative or other person in a position of trust and authority over the child. It is a violation of the child where he or she lives — literally and metaphorically. A child molested by a stranger can run home for help and comfort. A victim of incest cannot.” (Vanderbilt, 1992, p. 51). Additional definitions include the following characteristics:
Sexual contact or interaction between family members who are not marital partners;
Oral-genital contact, genital or anal penetration, genital touching of the victim by the perpetrator, any other touching of private body parts, sexual kissing and hugging;
Sexually staring at the victim by the perpetrator, accidental or disguised touching of the victim’s body by the perpetrator, verbal invitations to engage in sexual activity, verbal ridiculing of body parts, pornographic photography, reading of sexually explicit material to children, and exposure to inappropriate sexual activity (Caruso, 1987).
Incest does not discriminate. It happens in families that are financially-privileged, as well as those of low socio-economic status. It happens to those of all racial and ethnic descent, and to those of all religious traditions. Victims of incest are boys and girls, infants and adolescents. Incest occurs between fathers and daughters, fathers and sons, mothers and daughters and mothers and sons. Perpetrators of incest can be aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, step-parents, step-children, grandparents and grandchildren. In addition, incest offenders can be persons without a direct blood or legal relationship to the victim such as a parent’s lover or live-in nanny, housekeeper, etc. — as this abuse takes place within the confines of the family and the home environment (Vanderbilt, 1992). The study of a nationally representative sample of state prisoners serving time for violent crime in 1991 revealed that 20 percent (20%) of their crimes were committed against children, and three out of four prisoners who victimized a child reported the crime took place in their own home or in the victim’s home (Greenfeld, 1996).
Estimates of the number of incest victims in the United States vary. These discrepancies can be attributed to the fact that incest remains an extremely under-reported crime. All too often, pressure from family members — in addition to threats or pressure from the abuser — results in extreme reluctance to reveal abuse and to subsequently obtain help (Matsakis, 1991).
Incest has been cited as the most common form of child abuse. Studies conclude that 43 percent (43%) of the children who are abused are abused by family members, 33 percent (33%) are abused by someone they know, and the remaining 24 percent (24%) are sexually abused by strangers (Hayes, 1990). Other research indicates that over 10 million Americans have been victims of incest.
One of the nation’s leading researchers on child sexual abuse, David Finkelhor, estimates that 1,000,000 Americans are victims of father-daughter incest, and 16,000 new cases occur annually (Finkelhor, 1983). However, Finkelhor’s statistics may be significantly low because they are based primarily on accounts of white, middle-class women and may not adequately represent low-income and minority women (Matsakis, 1991).
Victims of incest are often extremely reluctant to reveal that they are being abused because their abuser is a person in a position of trust and authority for the victim. Often the incest victim does not understand — or they deny — that anything is wrong with the behavior they are encountering (Vanderbilt, 1992). Many young incest victims accept and believe the perpetrator’s explanation that this is a “learning experience” that happens in every family by an older family member. Incest victims may fear they will be disbelieved, blamed or punished if they report their abuse.
In addition, some recent research suggests that some victims of incest may suffer from biochemically-induced amnesia. This condition can be triggered by a severe trauma, such as a sexual assault, which causes the body to incur a number of complex endocrine and neurological changes resulting in complete or partial amnesia regarding the event. Thus, any immediate and/or latent memory of the incident(s) is repressed (Matsakis, 1991).
Most research concludes that girls and women are at substantially higher risk of being sexually assaulted than males (Matsakis, 1991). A recent study of all state prisoners serving time for violent crime in 1991 revealed that of all those convicted for rape or sexual assault, two-thirds victimized children and three out of four of their victims were young girls (Greenfeld, 1996). However, estimates of male incest may be low due to the fact that, while girls are extremely hesitant to disclose incest, boys are probably even more so. Boys may be especially reluctant to admit incest victimization because of the sexual details and their fear it may indicate to others a weakness and/or homosexuality, which can result in negative social stigmatization (Vanderbilt, 1992).
Incest can have serious long-term effects on its victims. One study concluded that among the survivors of incest who were victimized by their mothers, 60 percent (60%) of the women had eating disorders as did one-fourth (25%) of the men. Of the 93 women and nine men included in this study, 80 percent (80%) of the women and all of the men reported sexual problems in their adult life. In addition, almost two-thirds of the women stated that they never or rarely went to the doctor or the dentist as the examination was too terrifying for them. Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) — which includes amnesia, nightmares and flashbacks — also remains prevalent among incest survivors (Vanderbilt, 1992). Additionally, there is research which indicates that children who have been sexually abused by a relative suffers from even more intense guilt and shame, low self-esteem, depression and self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse, sexual promiscuity and prostitution) than children who have been sexually assaulted by a stranger (Matsakis, 1991).
Whether an incest victim endured an isolated incident of abuse or ongoing assaults over an extended period of time, the process of recovery can be exceptionally painful and difficult. The recovery process begins with admission of abuse and the recognition that help and services are needed. There are services and resources available for incest victims — both children and adult survivors of incest. Resources for incest victims include books, self-help groups, workshops, short and long-term therapy programs, and possible legal remedies. Many survivors of incest have formed self-help/support groups where they along with other incest survivors can discuss their victimization and find role models who have survived incest (Vanderbilt, 1992).
In addition to believing, listening to, and helping victims of incest in their process of recovery, we need to simultaneously search for ways to prevent future generations from enduring such abuse and from continuing the cycles of abuse within their own family and relationships.
Caruso, Beverly. (1987). The Impact of Incest. Center City, MN: Hazelden Educational Materials.
Finkelhor, David. (1983). The Dark Side of Families: Current Family Violence Research. Newbury Park, CA: Sage Publications.
Greenfeld, Lawrence. (1996). Child Victimizers: Violent Offenders and Their Victims: Executive Summary. Washington, DC: Bureau of Justice Statistics and the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, U.S. Department of Justice.
Hayes, Robert. (1990, Summer). “Child Sexual Abuse.” Crime Prevention Journal.
Langan, Patrick and Caroline Harlow. (1994). Child Rape Victims, 1992. Washington, DC: Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice.
Lisak, David. (1994). “The Psychological Impact of Sexual Abuse: Content Analysis of Interviews with Male Survivors.” Journal of Traumatic Stress, 7(4): 525-548.
Matsakis, Aphrodite. (1991). When the Bough Breaks. Oakland, CA: New Harbinger Publications.
National Center for Victims of Crime and Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center. (1992). Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. Arlington, VA: National Center for Victims of Crime and Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center. Vanderbilt, Heidi. (1992, February). “Incest: A Chilling Report.” Lears, p. 49-77.
RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network), 2008
Turner, Jeffrey S. (1996). “Encyclopedia of Relationships Across the Lifespan.
Blume, E. Sue. (1990). Secret Survivors: Uncovering Incest and Its Aftereffects in Women. New York: Wiley Publishing.
Byerly, Carolyn. (1985). The Mother’s Book: How to Survive the Incest of Your Child. Dubuque, IA: Kendall/Hunt Publishing.
Davis, Laura. (1990). The Courage to Heal Workbook: For Women and Men Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse. New York: Harper & Row.
Fuller, A. Kenneth and Robert Bartucci. (1991). “HIV Transmission and Childhood Sexual Abuse.” Journal of Sex Education & Therapy, 17(1).
Gust, Jean and Patricia Sweeting. (1992). Recovering from Sexual Abuse and Incest: A Twelve-Step Guide. Bedford, MA: Mills & Sanderson Publishing.
Hunter, Mic. (1990). Abused Boys: The Neglected Victims of Sexual Abuse. Lexington, MA: Lexington Books.
Mayer, Adele. (1985). Sexual Abuse: Causes, Consequences, and Treatment of Incestuous and Pedophilic Acts. Holmes Beach, FL: Learning Publications.
National Committee for Prevention of Child Abuse. (1988). Basic Facts About Child Abuse. Chicago, IL: National Committee for Prevention of Child Abuse.
National Center for Victims of Crime. (1997). “Child Sexual Abuse,” FYI, Arlington, VA: National Center for Victims of Crime.
National Center for Victims of Crime. (1997). “Civil Legal Remedies for Victims of Violent Crimes,” FYI, Arlington, VA: National Center for Victims of Crime.
National Center for Victims of Crime. (1997). “Cult and Ritualistic Abuse,” FYI, Arlington, VA: National Victim Center.
National Center for Victims of Crime. (1998). “Extensions of the Criminal and Civil Statutes of Limitations in Child Sexual Abuse Cases,” FYI, Arlington, VA: National Center for Victims of Crime.
National Center for Victims of Crime. (1992). “Rape-Related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder,” FYI, Arlington, VA: National Victim Center.
National Center for Victims of Crime. (1997). “Trauma of Victimization,” FYI, Arlington, VA: National Victim Center.
Ward, Elizabeth. (1985). Father-Daughter Rape. New York: Grove Press.
Wiehe, Vernon. (1997). Sibling Abuse: Hidden Physical, Emotional, and Sexual Trauma. Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications.
Sources are cited above in the summary.
Frequent Issues and Problems
• Anxiety and/or confusion: panic attacks, fears and phobias
• Depression and suicidal thoughts
• Low self-esteem
• Shame and quilt over acts of commission and/or omission
• Inability to trust themselves or others
• Fear of feelings
• Nightmares and flashbacks
• Violence or fear of violence
• Discomfort with being touched
• Compulsive sexual activity
• Social alienation
• Multiple personalities
• Substance Abuse
• Unrealistic and negative body image
Projected Masks and Images
• Blistering: Filing room with words leaving no room for anyone to pierce fragile defenses.
• Invisible: Silent and self-effacing
• Intimidating: Intelligent, glib, sharp-witted and psychologically savvy that no one challenges his verbal barrages.
• Angry: Radiating rage, criticism, and intolerance
• Outrageous: Shocking in word, appearance, and behavior
• Placating/pleasing: Being so nice and caring that attention is directed towards others.
• Comedy: Relying on superficiality and banter to distract attention away from pain.
• Teddy Bear: The warm, comforting and non threatening creature that is safe..
• Academic: Retreating into his head to keep from contacting with painful emotions.
Four Myths that interfere with Recovery:
Vulnerability = Weakness
Rigidity = Strength
Comfort = Safety
Under Control = In Charge
Therapeutic Issues and Concerns
Some of the reasons men come up with to avoid seeking therapy:
• “I should be able to do it myself.”
• “If I go for psychological help, I’m admitting failure.”
• “It’s not that bad.” “Its not serious enough to require treatment.”
• “It’s too expensive. I can’t afford it.”
• “I don’t want people to know I’m in therapy. Everyone will think I’m wacko.”
• “I don’t want some shrink telling me what to do.” “I’m afraid it will completely change my personality.”
The fact that there are many different helpful therapeutic styles does not mean that all therapies are helpful. Not everything that is called therapy is therapeutic-some so called therapeutic practices are, at best, counterproductive for the incest survivor. At worst, they can be abusive.
Beware of re-creating the abuse. As an incest survivor, they must never be re victimized. It does not matter whether the victimization is actual or symbolic, it is harmful. Any role-playing, psychodrama, guided fantasy, or other techniques that simulates the original abusive situation with the client in the role of victim will be frightening and destructive to recovery.
Beware of inappropriate touching. Part of the recovery process demands that the client is in complete charge of their body. They have the absolute right to decide who can touch them, and set limits on when and how they are touched. this extends to hugs, pats on the shoulder, and even handshakes.
Beware of being authoritative. A great deal of harm was done to the client when someone in their life insisted that they knew what was best for them. Recovery means being in ultimate charge of their lives.
Beware of being unresponsive. There are some therapist who provide virtually no feedback to their clients. The client is left to imagine what the therapist is thinking, projecting his own ideas onto the counselor. The client has lived much of their life in a kind of isolation having to fall back on their own resources which often leaves them with many unanswered questions.
Beware of being critical and judgment. The client is an expert at self-criticism and negative self-judgments it will only be counterproductive or abusive if you in turn do the same.
The Effects of Sexual Abuse
Volumes have been written on the topic of sexual abuse, analyzing it from every angle. When one reads what has been written, perhaps the most striking thing about it is the power to disrupt lives: a single abusive act disrupts not just the life of a child, but dozens of lives. If we are to reduce and repair the damage done by sexual abuse, we must truly understand how sexual abuse effects children and birth, foster, and adoptive families.
The impact of sexual abuse on children can be devastating and long-lasting. Because children are victimized by someone they should be able to trust and depend on, they may not realize that the abuse is wrong and not their fault. According to Faulkner (1996), sexually-abused children report feeling that something is wrong with them, that the abuse is their own fault, and that they should blame themselves for the abuse. Many children encounter disbelief or dismissal of their claims because adults do not wish to acknowledge that abuse is occurring. Consequently, victims may feel inadequate, embarrassed, isolated, guilty, shameful, and powerless (Faulkner, 1996). For these reasons, many people suppress what they perceive as a shameful secret until later in life.
Even after much time has passed, the effects of sexual abuse are powerful. Finkelhor and Browne (1986) found the long-term effects of maltreatment to include poor self-esteem, difficulty trusting others, anxiety, feelings of isolation and stigma, depression, self-destructive tendencies, sexual maladjustment, and substance abuse.
In 1998, Hughes and colleagues published the results of a study of 18 adult women who reported sexual abuse prior to age 12. These women revealed that they suffered from low rates of secondary school completion, long-term mistrust of others, illness, depression, dissociation, sleep problems, self-injury and self-mutilation, eating disorders, agoraphobia, and painful memories (Hughes, et al., 1998). These findings affirm what other researchers have found: a clear link between a history of child sexual abuse and higher rates in adult life of depression, anxiety, substance abuse, eating disorders, and post traumatic stress disorder (Mullen & Fleming, 1998).
The negative effects of incest, the most common form of sexual abuse, can be compounded by the reactions of parents, siblings, and other important people in the child’s life. For example, siblings of the survivor may blame the abused child, not the abuser, either because they believe the perpetrator’s denials or simply because of what reporting the abuser has done to the family. And when a child wonders if her mother knew about the abuse but did nothing to stop it, she can lose trust in both parents, not just one (Sheinberg & Fraenkel, 1998).
The Survivor’s Family
When a child is reported to have been sexually abused by a family member, the whole family is affected. Often family members feel they must choose whom to side with and whom to blame. Meanwhile the family is flooded with shame and invaded by police and social workers.
While this is necessary for the safety of children, social workers must do what they can to support the bonds among all family members, particularly between siblings an between a nonoffending parent and the children.
This can be a challenge. Societal norms and expectations about the responsibility mothers bear for what happens inside their homes influence us tremendously. The degree to which our cultural values may lead us to blame nonoffending mothers “is exemplified” by the findings of Dietz and Craft (1980), who reported that most social workers believed that mothers are as responsible for the sexual abuse as the offender, despite the fact that 78 percent of the mothers in their study were being physically abused by the same offender who abused the child” (Massat & Lundy, 1998).
Yet emerging research indicates that we need to support mothers more, if only for the children’s sake (Corcoran, 1998). Some research has shown that a child’s ability to recover from sexual abuse may be influenced by the support she receives from the nonoffending parent. Adams-Tucker (1982) and others suggest that a parent’s failure to believe and support a child who reports abuse may compound a child’s feelings of betrayal and isolation. Conversely, evidence is growing that maternal support is critical for a child’s recovery for both the short and long term (Corcoran, 1998).
Nonoffending parents need support. Often they are in a state of shock, because their child has been sexually abused, and strained by their efforts to decide whether to report the abuse.
And as soon as they make it known what their spouses or significant others have done, the relationship between these mothers and the rest of the world changes. In their 1998 article, Massat and Lundy explored the “costs” of reporting sexual abuse for 104 nonoffending parents. They found these parents faced many issues as a direct result of reporting incest, including problems with family members (54%), a decline in income (55%), difficulty with their job (26%) or having to find a new job (26%), and having to find a new place to live (50%).
These mothers may lack the emotional resources and support systems needed to deal with these challenges. Indeed, to protect the child’s privacy, mothers may decide not to rely on the support networks they do have, let alone reach out to establish new ones (Corcoran, 1998). All of this underscores the importance of understanding each family’s needs and connecting them to formal and informal supports and concrete services whenever possible.
The fathers, uncles, and other family members who sexually abuse children are affected by the abuse, too. Most of them live double lives: one as an upstanding family man, one as an obsessed, self-loathing sex offender.
Regardless of how we feel about them, incest perpetrators are still very important to the families they have betrayed. In psychological terms they are still “central attachments” for the family. As such, the family is certain to have contradictory, confused feelings about these men.
To help children and their families heal and prevent future maltreatment, it is important that social workers try to ensure that offenders receive treatment from experienced, trained therapists.
An important part of many treatment programs for sexual offenders are “apology sessions.” In this phase of treatment the offender writes a letter to his victim and then, in the presence of the therapist, the child, and the rest of the family he reads it aloud, assuring the child that the abuse was entirely his fault and that he is sorry for what he has done (Wylie, 1998). This clarification from the person who has harmed them can be helpful to children struggling to come to terms with sexual abuse and the relationships it has damaged.
Foster & Adoptive Parents
Foster and adoptive parents are also affected when a child is sexually abused. Down the line they must care for children in emotional turmoil because of the abuse and the disruption of their families. To do this effectively, parents must learn everything they can about the short and long term effects of sexual abuse.
A particular challenge for many families is learning how to cope with children’s sexualized language and behavior. Parenting children who have been sexually abused requires knowledge about setting boundaries (e.g., about touching) and special understanding when it comes to certain behaviors, such as a child’s need to masturbate.
To succeed in establishing a solid foundation with a child who has been sexually abused, foster and adoptive parents must help the child reconcile her past and present lives. As Fahlberg (1991) explains, “The success of a new relationship isn’t dependent upon the memory of an earlier one fading; rather, the new one is likely to prosper when the two relationships are kept clear and distinct.” Helping a child build a life book is one way for foster and adoptive parents to help a child make sense of her past.
Therefore foster and adoptive parents must support birth parent-child ties. To make this possible, they may want to adopt the policy of Brenda Crider, a North Carolina foster parent. “I never run parents down to their kids,” she says. “When these kids know you accept their parents, regardless of what they’ve done, the kids are easier to deal with. This makes sense. Kids are looking for approval, and if you disapprove of their parents then they think you disapprove of them, too” (Crider, 1998).
Corcoran, J. (1998). In defense of mothers of sexual abuse victims. Families in Society, 79(4), 358-369.
Crider, B. (1998). Working with birth parents. Fostering Perspectives, 3(2), 16.
Fahlberg, V. I. (1991). A child’s journey through placement. Indianapolis, IN: Perspectives Press.
Faulkner, N. (1996). Pandora’s box: The secrecy of child sexual abuse. Sexual Counseling Digest, pp. 1-3.
Finkelhor, D. & Browne, A. (1986). Impact of child sexual abuse: a review of the research. Psychological Bulletin, 99, 66-77.
Hughes, K., Stephen, H., Difranco, A., Manning, L., van der Toorn, N., North, C., & Taylor, M. (1998). The health impacts on adult women of childhood sexual violence before the age of twelve years. Ipswich Sexual Assault Service: Ipswich, Queensland, Australia.
Massat, C. R. & Lundy, M. (1998). “Reporting costs” to nonoffending parents in cases of intrafamilial child sexual abuse. Child Welfare, 78(4), 371-388.
Mullen, P. & Fleming, J. (1998). Long-term effects of child sexual abuse. Issues in child abuse prevention (9). Australia: National Child Protection Clearing House.
Osmond, M., Durham, D., Leggett, A., & Keating, J. (1998). Treating the aftermath of sexual abuse: A handbook for working with children in care. Washington, D.C.: Child Welfare League of America.
Sheinberg, M. & Fraenkel, P. (1998). Loyalty divided: Ambivalence haunts the victims of sexual abuse. Family Therapy Networker, 23(3), 63-78.
Wylie, M. S. (1998). Secret lives. Family Networker, 22(6), 39-59.
© 2000 Jordan Institute for Families
Let’s see the effects now of incest in animals-
(Wikipedia isn’t a credited source for “official standards”, but it is linked to official cited websites and the information I present here is well credited and at least all in one place for you to read)
T-cestors, why are you screwing with the turtles? Why is anything like incest upheld when it hurts so many lives in RL? You are just spitting on the many victims and people who suffered and died from these kind of practices- you might as well have a fetish for dog poop if this all that you are worth in this fandom. Why not get into some torture porn and then outright bestiality? What about Child Abuse (Oops, already there.)? You’ve come this far, just takes two steps more to get it all.
You people are sick, you porno crazed incest monsters; you wouldn’t do this in RL than why screw up in your fantasy?
For you readers, here’s an old comment from a fan who dared even to defend it-
TMNT originally was a mature comic. Perhaps it wasn’t quite as sexually explicit as some fanworks are, but it certainly wasn’t suitable for younger audiences. And yes, since the 80′s toon it has been aimed towards children – because that’s where the profits are. That doesn’t mean it has to be restricted as such forever. Haven’t you heard of rule 34?
No decent turtlecest fan has any interest whatsoever in corrupting/disturbing children, and we do keep to ourselves in general. Deviantart states in its Terms of Service that you MUST be of 18 years old or older to become a member. Mature turtlecest works are generally marked as mature (and failure to mark them as such is the responsibility of the artist, not the fandom) and are therefore blocked for non-members, ie THOSE AGED 18 YEARS AND YOUNGER. Failure to comply with these rules and exposure to mature sexual works (that are correctly labeled) is a fault on the part of the child, or their parent(s)/guardian(s), NOT THE ARTIST.
Outside of deviantart, you can find most turtlecest is posted to one of three major sites: fanfiction.net, adultfanfiction.net or livejournal.com
Now adultfanfiction is restricted to users 18 or older, so we won’t worry about it right now. Fanfiction.net and LJ both restrict mature works that are LABELED AS SUCH. If someone fails to comply, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to contact that user and ask them to correct the oversight, and if that doesn’t work then you are obligated to report them. Thus, accidental exposure to mature works are minimalized. If you’re still coming across it, then maybe you should admit that it’s not entirely innocent browsing you were doing.
I do like twisting youths. I want them to be bitter and twisted cynics like me. Cynic =/= pervert.
Those “asshats” have stormed to popular fandom websites like Deviantart, Fan Fiction.net, Livejournal, even TWITTER to express their love for incest; people like this deserve great uproar and bitter reprisal upon their heads, how dare they even think they could get away with this. Maybe they were dropped on their heads as infants, maybe they are victims of incest themselves, I just think most of them are irresponsible perverted freaks. The monster isn’t what is on your flesh, it’s the thing inside; I even got a rape threat from a popular T-cestor just for defending a good friend of mine in regards to this issue. They are sick, sick, I could say far worse and I honestly wish I could, but I would love to say it in their faces.
If you readers are against T-cest, and see the real effects of incestual relationships through the information I have just submitted here, leave a comment and tell them what you think of their crap at the following links:
Oh, here’s Vuravuru and Sneefee, as a couple in a nutshell:
I mean, you two are absolutely worthless, you know that right? You have zero value as a human being, you’re the things that children and adults go “Ewww what are those?” when they see you in action.
Please also google these names, and check these links, to spread the truth about incest and make them see the light; let’s get the garbage off the internet:
Little side note-
For those who are happy I was banned from DA, Sneefee, VuraVuru, Kcbakeneko- if there is anything at the very least you are aware about me, you’ll know that I don’t do anything as I have shown without reason. I knew I was going to get banned, what does that tell you? Your viewpoints on life and your promotion of those views are what earns you the right of social outcast, pedophiles, perverts, and a bad case of Zoophilia. There are police, laws, and mental institutes for those who are mentally disabled- meaning you. Now I don’t know what you’ve been thinking, but Lesbianism and Homosexuality in general is not supposed to connect to places as such is T-cest – at least according to the Advocates supporting Homosexuality. Things like T-cest, child abuse, and the promotion of these disgusting practices shouldn’t be a part of your daily activity as “responsible” individuals – at least according to your sexual promoters. From my position, all I’ve seen is that you guys have taken the sexual deviations you’ve already accepted and feel that it’s not big deal to continue down that path to ones worse than what you’ve already got. Now child abuse is okay, now Zoophilia is okay, now perversions in general are okay; and ya’ll wonder why so many people want to kill you? You might as well be an orc, a demon, or an open rapist on all these accounts. You won’t accept any leeway in this either, you act nice on the surface to get your way with the crowds, because everyone is now easily persuaded to the “Poor Homosexuals” which I do not sympathize with. Lesbianism, is a poor excuse, to promote child abuse.